It's a good time to go to the VCA website and see the changes in the club. Maurice and others have been terminated. Some regions have left. If it gets moderated away, Viper Alley will have the info.

You beat me to it. I logged on to post about this and wanted to get everyone in The SoCal regions position on this. Everyone please go to Viper Alley and VCA Forums and read up. (will take you hours if not days) as lots of BIG changes are coming.

What are the clubs officers positions?

Thanks

Ron

Lee Stubberfield has resigned, making Dan Everts president. There is still a ton of problems with it.

As your Regional President, I am monitoring and gathering as many FACTS as I can.  I am talking one on one with as many of the principal "players" involved and this includes people from ALL sides.
In doing so, I am doing my best to understand all perspectives and will do my best to communicate it to our membership. It is a very fluid situation and things are constantly changing with each passing action/reaction.  This makes it very difficult for me to communicate what is happening with so many changes occurring in short periods of time.

Please keep in mind that as paid VCA members, we have paid our dues for the entire 2013.  Our Region is in good standing with the VCA.  Our Region has received every benefit with which we are entitled to.  We have received our Membership dues through the second quarter and 3rd quarter dues are forthcoming very soon.  They have provided us with the required insurance coverages for our VCA Events.  They have approved our regional stipend and we have received over $1,500.00 in additional support for our events.
Our So Cal Board has not had any issues with the VCA and as such are hesitant to make any snap decisions based on internet comments and jeopardize the benefits that we have already paid for through Dec. 31, 2013.   

Please consider your sources for information before forming your opinions or making comments that may not be reflected upon positively.

_________________________________________________

On a much more personal note, our Region's officers, PAST and PRESENT, have personally put in hundreds of hours to create a very positive energy Club.   The Southern California Viper Club has always made an effort to operate in this way and will continue to do so.  This Club exists purely for the fun, camaraderie/friendships of the Viper owners.

Our National Officers have their hands full right now and hopefully will address all aspects of the conflicts in a manner that is positive in nature.  As members, we can only hope that they are able to find a solution that satisfies all concerned and not let the negativity prevail.

I know Dan has been promoted to National President... I have seen no other mention of who is currently filling the other seats... Have a clue Lance?

I do not know.   But I can tell you that it isn't ME  !   :P

Lance,
Well said. There is no need to perpetuate the negativity, it will not help the VCA or the SoCal region going forward. We all need to make sure that we stay positive and act with the club interests in mind. There are people out there who are only acting for self interests. Passing hate and mis information to others so they can win their support. After all this is only a car club, if they don't like it they can buy some other car and join that club, see if they get the same kinds of benefits from Vette or Porsche. :-X

I'm not sure this is only about self interest... I see this latest thing from a lot of directions.

Telling them to go buy a Vette... mmm... not sure I would bring that up Hirk...  :o

This just in:

September 12, 2013
Dear Presidents and Members,
The VCA .....Moving forward!!
Good afternoon everyone, you have all heard by now that Lee Stubberfield submitted his written resignation as President of the VCA on Tuesday Sept 10th. The VCA is planning to hold a special election in January 2014 at the annual President's meeting to elect new national officers. Dan Everts, formerly our national treasurer since April 2013, will be acting president until the January election. The BOD had our first conference call last night and already many of the issues plaguing the club are being addressed. No issues or stones will be left unturned. Let us review with you the positive steps the VCA is taking starting from DAY 1 with our new President:
 Dan Everts sent Maurice Liang an email dated Sept. 11, 2013 offering to reinstate him as an officer in the VCA. Dan sent the email to Maurice because a written statement received from our club's attorney, Bill Corum stated, "it is unclear to me whether he (Maurice) was properly removed from the BOD by the actions of yesterday". We, as a Board of Directors, recognized that we must now consider that Maurice was not properly removed, has been and is still a current officer in the VCA. We are suggesting that Maurice serve as our Vice President, rather than his former position as Secretary. Some of you may not be aware, but Lee Stubberfield had suspended Maurice the day
prior. As of this letter, the email has been sent and we are awaiting Maurice's reply.
 Dan Everts personally made a phone call to Jon Brobst of PartsRack on Tuesday. It has been discovered that Jon B was not mailed a copy of the letter stating that he could apply for reinstatement to the club on July 1. The VCA will agree to certain behavior, as will Mr. Brobst, and a legal document will be prepared for both parties to sign. Upon completion of this agreement, PartsRack will again be allowed to advertise in Viper Magazine, on the VCA website and Jon B will again be a member in good standing with the VCA.
 The letter from Pat Dougherty at Mopar dated Aug.20th asked for a separation of Chris Marshall, Viper Parts of America and Coast to Coast Management (Mary Marshall), stating a conflict of interest. Chris has made the decision to stay with the Viper Parts of America. The contract with Coast to Coast expires on Sept.30th. This contract will not be renewed and Coast to Coast has agreed to stay on, in a month to month basis, until January 1, 2014. We thank Coast to Coast for their support and understanding. Greg Crouse from the SW Zone has offered to accept the responsibility of obtaining bids for a new management company going forward. John Mavridis has offered to help
Greg with this task. We understand that one of the key elements to our success going forward is our relationship with Chrysler, because of this, we are making the above changes to remove any potential conflict for Mopar in the management of their parts business (which they cited in the August 20th letter as a concern for them,) and we will review these changes with the Chrysler team to ensure we are on the right track.
 Financial disclosure of the VPA was discussed and they will be given 60 days to begin making quarterly and annual financial reports to the VCA, as well as a year-to-date for 2013. Dan has requested they get their parts inventory and bookkeeping on Quick Books or an equivalent system. Year-end VPA financial reports will be made available to the regional Presidents at the annual President's meetings as they were last year.
LETTER: PRESIDENTS AND MEMBERS,
MOVING FORWARD
SEPTEMBER 12, 2013
2 | P a g e
 The new board and officers are keenly aware that the presidents want, and should have, a greater voice in the direction of the club. Gathering thirty plus (30+) presidents to vote on day to day issues and general club business could be daunting. The national board and officers are going to commit to meet with their zone presidents, minimum twice a year, and prior to national board meetings, so that they can represent the views and the majority of their zones. As well, we will examine changing the by-laws to bring the presidents in to vote on major issues facing the club when they arise.
 John Canal offered to start working on the location of our next venue for VOI 13. Since the last one was in Charlotte, NC it is agreed that the Viper Owners Invitational slated for the fall of 2014 will be in the Western or Central United States, please email him with your suggestions or comments and ideas. ([email protected])
 We are happy to report that the raffle has been completed! The original winner of the car was ineligible to receive it, and the second place winner has been awarded the first place prize—imagine his delight when he was told that he won the 2013 Viper! The third place winner has been awarded the #2 prize, and so on. A new drawing was made and videotaped for the third prize and everyone has been notified!
 Dan Everts will be working on the next raffle car, and he will be calling Pat at Mopar in a few days to report all of these timely changes to him. We are certain that Pat will be pleased at the progress that has been made in such a short time!
I am sure you will agree as you have read this that we all deserve to give Dan, Fredi, hopefully Maurice and our new Board of Directors a chance to fix all of this. The majority of you asked for Lee to step down and he did. You asked for Chris Marshall to make a choice between VPA and Coast to Coast...he has!
You asked for us to work on competitive bids for a new management company – it's being done! You have asked for us to work on repairing our relationship with Mopar – it is all in the works as you can see. Everyone wants to work with a board that offers transparency and a full financial disclosure of the VPA will be available in 60 days or less.
We are welcoming your suggestions on how to improve the VCA, so please take a moment to send us your thoughts as to how we can be even better moving forward. There is no other club like the VCA in the World, but of late, we have become stricken with politics. These officers and this board are committed to putting the club back on track and getting back to the members and having fun with the cars. We sincerely hope that those that are considering leaving this great club do what this board and these officers did last night, put the past where it belongs, in the PAST. Let's all come together and get all four tires firmly back on the track.
Putting our members first.
Sincerely,
Dan Everts
Fredi Spaltenstein
John Canal
Greg Crouse
Ronne R. Kooser
John Mavridis
Cathy Smiley

This is probably more from members asking questions and not receiving answers than it is from anything else.

If you ask direct pertinent questions and all you hear are crickets chirping.....The national officers and the BOD had plenty of opportunities to squash a lot of this before it even started.

Let's see if they can fix it.

I am astonished that nary an opinion has been shared, when the subject concerns perhaps the greatest challenge the National Club has ever faced.  One purpose of the forum is to foster the open exchange of ideas.  Have we no consenting or dissenting views on something this serious?  What's with the ambivalence?  Cawthorne would have given us a piece of his mind.

The correspondence that was copied and pasted, a culmination of a much larger chain of events that brought us to this present day, answers and addresses nearly nothing.  Instead, it raises a multitude of questions: why and how did we get here, who were the actors, what was the end game, what needs to be done to ensure that it doesn't happen again?

One promise within the letter stuck out to me in particular: "No issues or stones will be left unturned."  I really want to believe that.

To clarify... I meant opinions from our members on this thread.

Thanks HyperViper.  I didn't see your post until after I clicked send.

Quote from: krafters on September 13, 2013, 03:40:34 PM
I am astonished that nary an opinion has been shared, when the subject concerns perhaps the greatest challenge the National Club has ever faced.  One purpose of the forum is to foster the open exchange of ideas.  Have we no consenting or dissenting views on something this serious?  What's with the ambivalence?  Cawthorne would have given us a piece of his mind.

The correspondence that was copied and pasted, a culmination of a much larger chain of events that brought us to this present day, answers and addresses nearly nothing.  Instead, it raises a multitude of questions: why and how did we get here, who were the actors, what was the end game, what needs to be done to ensure that it doesn't happen again?

One promise within the letter stuck out to me in particular: "No issues or stones will be left unturned."  I really want to believe that.

I have a lot of emails, forum posts, direct communication and such about the current situation.

Frankly, for me... I care about Lance, the position he is in. He has to be in the middle of different factions... I don't want to be "that member" in his book.

I care about SoCal Viper... I didn't know anyone else wanted to have the discussion here. There is plenty of discussion going on in a lot of places...

There is a new National club starting, because of some of the problems, or perceived problems with Nat'l. It all depends on who you talk to. Each side has a difference of opinion of what the problems are.

Several Regional chapters have left the VCA, some are holding a vote to decide if they are going to stay or go. It really is that serious...

At this late time, is it really worth going over how we got here? Or do we talk about where to go from here?

I posted the email that Dan sent out, I hope it is ok to post the text I just got.

I am doing this in the spirit of communication.

If not please delete and repost, or not as needed...
K

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

9/13/2013

To all Viper Club of America members:

Recently, some terrifically unfortunate and significant events have taken place within the Viper Club of America. Many of you have been hearing rumblings with regard to several situations that have now created serious issues and embarrassment for the club. While there is a terrific amount of detail and also a lengthy history to these problems, the unfortunate issues plaguing the VCA have now culminated into some profound negative events taking place. While all specifics are unnecessary to air in this writing, the challenges we are left with have now become insurmountable and recent actions irreversible.

The VCA has indeed been suffering its share of political turmoil for years, much of which has shaped a very strong general distrust toward its national office/officers. While these trust issues have eroded the confidence of the regional members and leadership, even more unsettling events have compounded the issue and publicly validated that distrust. Most recently this year with its newest President, Mr. Stubberfield, his controversial tactics and unconventional leadership style led to an outcry for change in the national office. While his platform promised transparency, reform, involvement, and communication; over the months that ensued much of what has always plagued the club continued: Extensive politics played out as there was no break from past leadership (of which Mr. Stubberfield served as past Treasurer) and allowed their control and negative influence to continue. The club magazine, now two issues behind, was causing member dissatisfaction and also weighed down the club with massive expenses. Regional dues were also delayed as the national office retained funding to ease its own cash flow issues. Problems continued as a poorly executed raffle caused an immense uprising that ensues today and may have significant consequences. Negative publicity relative to Viper Parts of America, its legitimacy, and its CEO continues. The national Secretary and VP pulled away and publicly separated themselves from the activities that were unfolding. Several club regions even began to break away from the VCA, while others threatened the same. All the while, heavy handed censorship continued on the national website forums, disallowing any real news from flowing to members (however many get their news from Viper Garage and Viper Alley).

However, there were even more sentinel events that had occurred in the background. Among them was a complete falling out with our manufacturer early in the year as SRT CEO, Ralph Gilles, attempted to intervene due to the negative publicity the club was causing for the Viper brand. This turmoil was kept secret by the national office, and even from most of its own board members. To the dismay of many, there was even a personal letter sent by one of the national board members to Sergio Marchionne (CEO of Chrysler/Fiat) in an attempt to eliminate Mr. Gilles involvement. Shortly thereafter, another letter (this time anonymous) was sent again to Mr. Marchionne and Chrysler legal - with personal allegations hoping to now personally discredit Mr. Gilles. Sadly, the VCA and Mr. Stubberfield did nothing to impugn the letters or support Mr. Gilles during these personal attacks. The best friend of the club, main Viper-holic, and savior of the Viper brand - was now being attacked because he tried to help fix the club. Chrysler reacted by immediately diffusing the relationship with the VCA and SRT, and implanted a new/unrelated individual from Mopar to act as liaison to the club. Our relationship with the very branch of Chrysler responsible for making our car, SRT, was now changed forever - diminishing one of the deepest values of this club which made it so different from others. However, the new relationship hit an ironic fever pitch when attempts were made by Mr. Stubberfield to publish misrepresentations to the VCA membership relative to the current "rosy" state of that relationship and mutual agreements that were reached. Upon reviewing this letter, Chrysler immediately fired back with a letter contradicting several points of his account. The letters were leaked and went viral, causing a public outcry and another significant push for change began as more evidence of misdirection were clearly proven.

In response to the highly publicized catastrophes, a strong majority of the board of directors had united and began making attempts to unseat Mr. Stubberfield and force change. After multiple unsuccessful requests for him to step down, the board began to use its majority vote to force him from office. When left with no option, Mr. Stubberfield conceded and stated he would resign. Two weeks passed with multiple delays by Mr. Stubberfield to push off his resignation date, but Mr. Stubberfield had a motive...

Finally, on the day he was to send his resignation letter, the most aggressive action in the history of the club was triggered, surprising everyone. Mr. Stubberfield began sending emails, suspending board members (those who opposed him strongly), promoted his treasurer to VP, assigned new board members, and bestowed his presidential powers onto his VP. It was a shocking abuse of his position in an attempt to regain majority control of the board and unseat those who opposed him. Many remaining and influential board members began to resign in disgust. Shortly thereafter, club legal counsel also resigned, separating himself from the aggressive events that had unfolded.

Shortly after executing his plan, Mr. Stubberfield resigned, leaving control again to his "team" which includes his Treasurer and those past leaders behind the scenes who have once again taken control of website/forums and will influence the club. The few innocent who were recently assigned to the board, are completely unaware of what's taken place (and hopefully reading this letter). Their attempts will once again be to make a push to "create new change" under the guise of "saving the club", but with multiple failures, crushing debt, extensive liability, a disgusted membership, regions defecting, key leaders leaving, and a completely decimated relationship with our manufacturer - it leaves few options.

The Future - A New Beginning - Your Call To Action

A historic meeting has just taken place on September 12th, 2013. A live conference call across all national regions took place which included all but 3 US & Canadian regions (almost 40 leaders!). This call discussed the events that have transpired and collectively discussed the future that is unfolding. 90% of the regions on the call stated they wanted to start fresh. It was a historic and celebratory moment.

In an effort to resolve all of the dilemma's, and also recapture those who left the club, a NEW club is being built! We are not the first club to have a major reboot or rebrand - many of the best known car clubs have had their share of scandals and through rebirth have achieved new success. So, for so many reasons, a new club is making its rise - one that will be built upon the spirit which was originally in place in its earliest years. A club built for fun and pride...

Starting Jan 1, 2014, the VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION will be born.

Things are moving VERY fast and a group of dedicated leaders (many who were the founding leaders of the original VCA) are working to spearhead the foundation for the new club. The name is pending final agreement, however it seems VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION could be likely. Much of what you do regionally is really what's most important, and much of that won't change. The central foundation that we need will be put in place - a website, administration, and a quarterly magazine are all in the plan. However, what we will surely avoid is extensive overhead, big government, processes, politics, and over-reaching control that has existed with the prior club. Building a new club, that focuses on regional control and ownership is the plan. It's uncertain how long, or even if, the national VCA will exist in the near future - but the Viper and regional clubs need to continue with their enjoyment! We know our manufacturer will soon pull us close once again and provide our members support and those special perks that make the club worth it. The website will be up shortly and membership dues collection will begin later this year.

Call to Action - What's Needed From You

How can you help? If you'd like your region to be one of the founding regions of the new VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION, you should tell your president that you want to be part of this club!

Spread the news and help educate others. We would like the founding regions to have their positions decided by September 28th.

We've done it before and we'll do it even better this time around. Yes, Viper Club 2.0 is on the way!




Respectfully submitted by these tenured leaders in addition to many supportive regional presidents:

• Maurice Liang
VCA Founding President, VCA NorCal Region Founding President, Past National Secretary, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Steve Ferguson
VCA Co-Founder, Past VCA National VP, Past VCA National Pres, VCA IL Region Founding Pres, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Alex Ristanovic
Current VCA IL Region President, Past National VCA Midwest Director at Large, 19 year member
• Randall Arnold
Past VCA OH Treasurer, Past VCA OH Pres, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, Past VCA National VP, 12 year member
• Jim Johnson
Current CoUtWy Regional President, VCA SW Zone Director, Past CoUtWy Regional VP, 18 year member
• Adrian Byrd
Past NY/CT VP, Past NY/CT Pres, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, Past VCA NE Zone Director, 11 year member
• Tony Perugini
Current VCA NY/CT Region President, Past VCA NY/CT VP, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, 10 year member
• John Wojnar
Past VCA OH Region VP, Past VCA Ohio President, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, 14 year member
• Janni Cone
Past Carolinas Region President, Past National Director at Large, 15 year Member

Well I'm quite happy it looks like a new National Club will form and grow.

I know they can & will repair the relationship with SRT.

Hopefully, the SoCal club remains the same and, becomes part of the new entity.

The Socal club is filled with good people and good cars, and will be an asset any national  Viper organization.

At last some great news.

Kala, you're right, at this point it's not worth going over how we got here.  I care about Lance too, but I wouldn't worry about would-be factions.  He's got broad shoulders.

It is ironic that I got an email blast earlier this evening which contained a .pdf attachment of the same correspondence that you pasted to this thread yesterday (the one which begins with The VCA... Moving forward!!).  Not exactly a complementary composition alongside the new letter you pasted below, today.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by being "that member."  If by my questioning, I'm "that member," I'll politely excuse myself.  I think for alot of people, it's more than just a car club.

Quote from: Kala on September 13, 2013, 05:23:42 PM
I posted the email that Dan sent out, I hope it is ok to post the text I just got.

I am doing this in the spirit of communication.

If not please delete and repost, or not as needed...
K

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

9/13/2013

To all Viper Club of America members:

Recently, some terrifically unfortunate and significant events have taken place within the Viper Club of America. Many of you have been hearing rumblings with regard to several situations that have now created serious issues and embarrassment for the club. While there is a terrific amount of detail and also a lengthy history to these problems, the unfortunate issues plaguing the VCA have now culminated into some profound negative events taking place. While all specifics are unnecessary to air in this writing, the challenges we are left with have now become insurmountable and recent actions irreversible.

The VCA has indeed been suffering its share of political turmoil for years, much of which has shaped a very strong general distrust toward its national office/officers. While these trust issues have eroded the confidence of the regional members and leadership, even more unsettling events have compounded the issue and publicly validated that distrust. Most recently this year with its newest President, Mr. Stubberfield, his controversial tactics and unconventional leadership style led to an outcry for change in the national office. While his platform promised transparency, reform, involvement, and communication; over the months that ensued much of what has always plagued the club continued: Extensive politics played out as there was no break from past leadership (of which Mr. Stubberfield served as past Treasurer) and allowed their control and negative influence to continue. The club magazine, now two issues behind, was causing member dissatisfaction and also weighed down the club with massive expenses. Regional dues were also delayed as the national office retained funding to ease its own cash flow issues. Problems continued as a poorly executed raffle caused an immense uprising that ensues today and may have significant consequences. Negative publicity relative to Viper Parts of America, its legitimacy, and its CEO continues. The national Secretary and VP pulled away and publicly separated themselves from the activities that were unfolding. Several club regions even began to break away from the VCA, while others threatened the same. All the while, heavy handed censorship continued on the national website forums, disallowing any real news from flowing to members (however many get their news from Viper Garage and Viper Alley).

However, there were even more sentinel events that had occurred in the background. Among them was a complete falling out with our manufacturer early in the year as SRT CEO, Ralph Gilles, attempted to intervene due to the negative publicity the club was causing for the Viper brand. This turmoil was kept secret by the national office, and even from most of its own board members. To the dismay of many, there was even a personal letter sent by one of the national board members to Sergio Marchionne (CEO of Chrysler/Fiat) in an attempt to eliminate Mr. Gilles involvement. Shortly thereafter, another letter (this time anonymous) was sent again to Mr. Marchionne and Chrysler legal - with personal allegations hoping to now personally discredit Mr. Gilles. Sadly, the VCA and Mr. Stubberfield did nothing to impugn the letters or support Mr. Gilles during these personal attacks. The best friend of the club, main Viper-holic, and savior of the Viper brand - was now being attacked because he tried to help fix the club. Chrysler reacted by immediately diffusing the relationship with the VCA and SRT, and implanted a new/unrelated individual from Mopar to act as liaison to the club. Our relationship with the very branch of Chrysler responsible for making our car, SRT, was now changed forever - diminishing one of the deepest values of this club which made it so different from others. However, the new relationship hit an ironic fever pitch when attempts were made by Mr. Stubberfield to publish misrepresentations to the VCA membership relative to the current "rosy" state of that relationship and mutual agreements that were reached. Upon reviewing this letter, Chrysler immediately fired back with a letter contradicting several points of his account. The letters were leaked and went viral, causing a public outcry and another significant push for change began as more evidence of misdirection were clearly proven.

In response to the highly publicized catastrophes, a strong majority of the board of directors had united and began making attempts to unseat Mr. Stubberfield and force change. After multiple unsuccessful requests for him to step down, the board began to use its majority vote to force him from office. When left with no option, Mr. Stubberfield conceded and stated he would resign. Two weeks passed with multiple delays by Mr. Stubberfield to push off his resignation date, but Mr. Stubberfield had a motive...

Finally, on the day he was to send his resignation letter, the most aggressive action in the history of the club was triggered, surprising everyone. Mr. Stubberfield began sending emails, suspending board members (those who opposed him strongly), promoted his treasurer to VP, assigned new board members, and bestowed his presidential powers onto his VP. It was a shocking abuse of his position in an attempt to regain majority control of the board and unseat those who opposed him. Many remaining and influential board members began to resign in disgust. Shortly thereafter, club legal counsel also resigned, separating himself from the aggressive events that had unfolded.

Shortly after executing his plan, Mr. Stubberfield resigned, leaving control again to his "team" which includes his Treasurer and those past leaders behind the scenes who have once again taken control of website/forums and will influence the club. The few innocent who were recently assigned to the board, are completely unaware of what's taken place (and hopefully reading this letter). Their attempts will once again be to make a push to "create new change" under the guise of "saving the club", but with multiple failures, crushing debt, extensive liability, a disgusted membership, regions defecting, key leaders leaving, and a completely decimated relationship with our manufacturer - it leaves few options.

The Future - A New Beginning - Your Call To Action

A historic meeting has just taken place on September 12th, 2013. A live conference call across all national regions took place which included all but 3 US & Canadian regions (almost 40 leaders!). This call discussed the events that have transpired and collectively discussed the future that is unfolding. 90% of the regions on the call stated they wanted to start fresh. It was a historic and celebratory moment.

In an effort to resolve all of the dilemma's, and also recapture those who left the club, a NEW club is being built! We are not the first club to have a major reboot or rebrand - many of the best known car clubs have had their share of scandals and through rebirth have achieved new success. So, for so many reasons, a new club is making its rise - one that will be built upon the spirit which was originally in place in its earliest years. A club built for fun and pride...

Starting Jan 1, 2014, the VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION will be born.

Things are moving VERY fast and a group of dedicated leaders (many who were the founding leaders of the original VCA) are working to spearhead the foundation for the new club. The name is pending final agreement, however it seems VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION could be likely. Much of what you do regionally is really what's most important, and much of that won't change. The central foundation that we need will be put in place - a website, administration, and a quarterly magazine are all in the plan. However, what we will surely avoid is extensive overhead, big government, processes, politics, and over-reaching control that has existed with the prior club. Building a new club, that focuses on regional control and ownership is the plan. It's uncertain how long, or even if, the national VCA will exist in the near future - but the Viper and regional clubs need to continue with their enjoyment! We know our manufacturer will soon pull us close once again and provide our members support and those special perks that make the club worth it. The website will be up shortly and membership dues collection will begin later this year.

Call to Action - What's Needed From You

How can you help? If you'd like your region to be one of the founding regions of the new VIPER OWNERS ASSOCIATION, you should tell your president that you want to be part of this club!

Spread the news and help educate others. We would like the founding regions to have their positions decided by September 28th.

We've done it before and we'll do it even better this time around. Yes, Viper Club 2.0 is on the way!




Respectfully submitted by these tenured leaders in addition to many supportive regional presidents:

• Maurice Liang
VCA Founding President, VCA NorCal Region Founding President, Past National Secretary, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Steve Ferguson
VCA Co-Founder, Past VCA National VP, Past VCA National Pres, VCA IL Region Founding Pres, VCA Hall of Fame member, 19 year member
• Alex Ristanovic
Current VCA IL Region President, Past National VCA Midwest Director at Large, 19 year member
• Randall Arnold
Past VCA OH Treasurer, Past VCA OH Pres, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, Past VCA National VP, 12 year member
• Jim Johnson
Current CoUtWy Regional President, VCA SW Zone Director, Past CoUtWy Regional VP, 18 year member
• Adrian Byrd
Past NY/CT VP, Past NY/CT Pres, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, Past VCA NE Zone Director, 11 year member
• Tony Perugini
Current VCA NY/CT Region President, Past VCA NY/CT VP, Past National VCA NE Director at Large, 10 year member
• John Wojnar
Past VCA OH Region VP, Past VCA Ohio President, Past VCA Midwest Zone Director, 14 year member
• Janni Cone
Past Carolinas Region President, Past National Director at Large, 15 year Member

Dear Southern California Viper Club,
I find myself for the first time in 3 years having to take ownership of the title and address our 200 plus members as such.  I have been honored to serve our Club as President, but have admittedly shrugged off the title to simply just be Lance, proud member of the So Cal Viper Club.   Our region has truly gained National status as one of the greatest regions in Viper Club of America.  Thanks to all of you, our region continues to prosper, operate without premise or politics and we truly enjoy the joys of being a "car club" through fun events and camaraderie.    I cannot express enough how truly proud I am to be part of this family.  Rest assured that the fabric of our So Cal Club is resolute.

Our National Club has unfortunately found itself in some very difficult situations.  I choose not to address specifics at this juncture, as my perspective would not lend me the ability to present verified facts on all sides involved.   It is not my intent to evade the subject, but with such a long list of items that could be debated in endless controversy, I am simply not in a position to accurately address all the points from all perspectives properly in written form.  Add to the fact that the situation is very fluid and changing every day.
The best I can offer at this point is this, each position and opposition has very firm beliefs and wholeheartedly believes in its stance.  Does it make one right or wrong, I do not know.  One thing that there is no denying is the fact that it has had an extremely polarizing effect on many.

We have been thrust into a very difficult position with the recent changes of our National officers and board of directors.  I am profoundly challenged to present our members with the opposing positions and put at risk the respect for one of our very own members, which has been thrust into the unscrupulous limelight.   
As your current So Cal Viper Club President, it is incumbent on me to bear the responsibility to inform you, the members, of your options.

As Dan Everts embarks on the daunting task of putting the Viper Club of America back on track, he is faced with an even more challenging task of facing off with a brand new Club which is forming to offer an alternative to the VCA.

The VCA in its current state has many issues with which it must address.  Failure to adequately address the issues will lead to continued dissent and demise of the VCA.   Unfortunately public opinion is not in the VCA's favor and may ultimately force the VCA into insolvency.  Many of you have received Dan's proposal of Moving Forward with the VCA.  It addresses many of the issues with which the VCA is faced with and offers solutions to them.   It is an aggressive plan and targets many of the perceived problems within the VCA.   
Regardless of this noble plan to repair the damage within the VCA, the opposition has decided to take a different stance.  The opposition is proposing a brand new Club, which is devoid of the perceived problems.


Bottom line is this, with your membership renewal, you have some choices to make.
Renew your membership with the VCA, join the newly formed Club, join both or abstain from both.

As your Club President, I cannot and will not make that decision for you or for our Club  I hope you can appreciate the predicament my position is faced with.   It is one with many different angles and consequences.   Regardless of which Club you choose to align with, I cannot serve and will not serve on both.  The greatest difficulty for me personally is that I will likely step down from official capacity as President of the Southern California Viper Club on December 31st  2013.    I have an undying devotion to our Region and its members, period.    Affiliation with a National Club in either form presents conflicts for me personally that I cannot and will not endure.

Rest assured that I WILL remain active in our local region and will continue to be deeply involved with the events and FUN that our local region has enjoyed since its inception.

Excellent post Lance.  I think you summarized the current situation accurately.

I would urge everyone in our region to give this some time before making any hard decisions or picking sides.  There is a lot of information and miss-information being disseminated.  In time, the real issues and solutions will percolate up.

Fortunately, which ever side ultimately prevails (or compromise), all parties involved in this controversy truly love the car and Club.  VCA is really made up of and is driven by the 3,400 +/- members world-wide that love the car, the technology, the closeness with Chrysler and the fun at their respective chapters .... after all, it is just a car club.  I think at the end of the day, the warriors will remember this and cooler heads will prevail towards a great solution.

That being said, all change is a process and takes time.  Regardless of what happens at a National level, the SoCal car club is strong and will continue.

Keep the faith and try not to get caught up in the "roller coaster" ride.  As cooler heads prevail, a very good solution will arise .... it always does.

Quote from: krafters on September 14, 2013, 12:08:53 AM
I'm not quite sure what you mean by being "that member." 

Krafters, I was trying to make Lance laugh... It usually makes him laugh when I say things like that...

I firmly believe had Nat'l been open to answering questions along with transparency, for the last several years, we wouldn't be at this cross road right now.

Moving forward we all have a lot of questions to ask.

Quote from: Kala on September 14, 2013, 07:03:35 AM
I firmly believe had Nat'l been open to answering questions along with transparency, for the last several years, we wouldn't be at this cross road right now.

Moving forward we all have a lot of questions to ask.

Kala, that's exactly the point: had there been more transparency over the last decade or so we wouldn't be in this fix. Now, sadly, trust has been broken and lost between membership and the national officers and everything will be questioned by the members from here on out who will do it from a standpoint of distrust. The question is, has that distrust so severely infected the club that it is irretrievable?

Hey Lance,

thanks for the note.  With all the issues and noise going on I'd recommend that you hold some kind of conference call or a meeting with all the local members.

Hate to burden you but I know people want to hear what you think and recommend as well as have an opportunity to ask questions etc.

I'm with you brother on what direction you think is best for SoCal but not everyone has had the opportunity like me to speak to you about the issues and further.

best wishes and thanks for all your hard work!!!

Mike

I just posted " Sad to see the VCA go, but think it is time to hit the reset button" over on VCA forum. My post lasted less than a minute lol.

It is unfortunate that Dan is in the position he is in, but, he knew full well what he was getting himself into when he ran for treasurer and again when he accepted LS appointment to VP and then President of the VCA. Not really sure how the current Pres can appoint another Pres, or maybe once the current Pres steps down, then the VP automatically becomes President.

With the lack of transparency over the last few years, this is more than an uphill battle for the VCA.

The SoCal club is one of the strongest regional car clubs in the nation and I'm proud to be part of that in some small way. I will continue working with Lance moving forward if he wants and needs my help. Personally I'm so thankful I have had the opportunity through this great club to meet some great people and make some strong friendships.

Kala, you always make me smile and Thank You for the support.....although at this point in time, I am not the one who needs support. 

I LOVE the fact that you care enough to raise questions and inspire us to look at the issues.
I am also very happy to see discussion of this by our members.  It would take me hours to go tit for tat in this long saga. (Ask Fast Eddie)  I am actually happy to hear you folks say that you are ready to move forward and quit worrying about the past.   It is apparent that at the National level, they are both looking to the future and that is promising.

If you would like to do a conference call or set up a club meeting, I'd be more than happy to set one up.

Right now, I don't know that anyone's crystal ball can tell what the future will bring. SoCal Viper will always be the great club it has been with or with a Nat'l presence. That much won't change.

Making a choice for which Nat'l club SoCal Viper moves forward with, may have already been decided by the other 36 regions that are currently saying they are going to bail from the VCA.

The VCA can't stand on 4 regions alone. 

I am very shocked over all of this. To me it all sounds like GREED took over somewhere.  I have made many friends in the SoCal group and that will never change. Being part of the best car club in the world has been a great ride, until now.  I will wait to see how this all unfolds, talk to members in our group to get a better feel how we move forward. I love the VIPER it has taking me places I would have never gone and has made friendships that will last forever. Lance thank you for the great leadership hard work,dedication and with the help of others what the SoCal region has turned into, the BEST of the BEST. 
                                                                                                                                         Eddie Reinsma

VCA has lost the relationship with Chrysler. The BOD has attacked Ralph in writing, and has conflicts of interest with VPA with the Marshalls. The coolest events have involved access to Chrysler facilities, people and cars. Hopefully a new club can restart that.

The sad part is great people like Lance and Maurice have to consider leaving a group they have given massive amounts of work and care.

This memo was just released from a VCA BOD member in FL


By LadyCruzer

VCA Member
Central North Florida
Regional President
SE Director at Large

"We have been reading what you wrote and we are listening to you! The Board, in furtherance of moving ahead to a more inclusive, tolerant, fun club, that provides a clear pathway for new leadership, has decided to take immediate action to revise the Bylaws to provide, among other things, for: an election process that allows all members to vote for all National Officers; a nomination process that allows any member with one or more years of experience as a Regional Officer or above, with the endorsement of ten VCA members on a simple nomination form, to run for any National Office; setting limitations on what a candidate can do to run for office so that people with more money to spend do not have an unfair advantage; implementing an absolute term limit that prevents a member from rotating around the National Officer or other Board positions; and creating a procedure for the review of VPA activities and the voting of the VCA's 100% stock interest in VPA. We anticipate that this will be accomplished within 30 days. "

I could say something .  But I feel I've said to much........
BTW can we get the clock on the posts somewhat  current to the time at hand. I posted this at 7:53 p.m. Tuesday.   Yup I'm control freak.  Can't help myself.  Guess that what happens when your self employed.  Long live the So Cal Viper Club.  Cheers!

Glenn

Ok, I'll stop posting this stuff... No Problem

Quote from: Kala on September 18, 2013, 07:52:23 AM
Ok, I'll stop posting this stuff... No Problem

?????????

Quote from: 1HOTV10 on September 17, 2013, 07:49:32 PM

BTW can we get the clock on the posts somewhat  current to the time at hand. I posted this at 7:53 p.m. Tuesday.   Yup I'm control freak.  Can't help myself.  Guess that what happens when your self employed.  Long live the So Cal Viper Club.  Cheers!

Glenn

Hey Glenn.....
Here your go:
1.   Go to the SoCal Viper Club website at: www.socalviper.org;
2.   Click on Forum;
3.   Click Login & Enter your User Name & Password (if you're not already logged in);
4.   Click on PROFILE;
5.   Click Look and Layout Preferences
6.   Change the TIME OFFSET to "auto detect". 

  Thanks !    ;D

Quote from: PCH VIPER on September 18, 2013, 10:09:52 PM
Hey Glenn.....
Here your go:
1.   Go to the SoCal Viper Club website at: www.socalviper.org;
2.   Click on Forum;
3.   Click Login & Enter your User Name & Password (if you're not already logged in);
4.   Click on PROFILE;
5.   Click Look and Layout Preferences
6.   Change the TIME OFFSET to "auto detect".

Yes with all these important things to discuss about the club, lets all get our clocks correct to make sure we can be the first to comment on current breaking news.  ;D

I'm like Glenn.....I couldn't figure out why the times were off, but figured it was just me.  I had to look up Cathy's post on how to update the clock.

Timing is everything !

Quote from: Hirkophoto on September 19, 2013, 03:18:59 PM
Yes with all these important things to discuss about the club, lets all get our clocks correct to make sure we can be the first to comment on current breaking news.  ;D

It is VERY  important.   The clock in the Kitchen says  1855 hours.  0200 past dinner time.  Where's  the chow ?

Dave Cawthorne warned me about "club memberships" .  BRING BACK SD VIPERS!!!!! No dues, no rules, just drive it like you stole it.  We miss you Dave.

Bring back sdvipers!!! No dues, no rules..... although we did loose a few cars during those early days before the car control clinics.lol, (rip ron's gen 2 rt).  But no matter what, so cal viper is the best group of people I have ever had the pleasure of being a part of. I love all you guys and gals.