Back in October, the So Cal officers set out to seat a Board of Directors to help with the corporate governance of the Southern California Viper Club.  With all the turmoil happening at the national level, we felt it was important to have a proper BoD to help the officers with some of the decision-making that pertained to our regional and national matters.

On October 27th, the officers voted independently and selected the following 6 So Cal members to take director positions on our BoD.  Please welcome Bruce Conklin, Andy Weiss, Michael Buckingham, Mike Bell, Ron Burke and Eddie Reinsma.  Each comes to us with a different background and they have committed their expertise and time to serve the best interests of the entire membership.   Together they form a great team and we are excited to be working with them as we move forward.

The first task for the BoD was to address the national club affiliation and membership status.   A letter was drafted by the BoD and was sent out to every current member via email.  The BoD wanted to share some of the details that we had and answer any questions that the membership may have.

In early November, the officers and BoD held a conference call to discuss the So Cal by-laws and feedback from the members that was received in response to the BoD letter that was sent out.   We discussed various positions that the So Cal Region could take and what the ramifications of each would be.   In addition, we discussed the VCA's renewal letter and the contents of it.   It was at that time that we decided that the So Cal Club would invoke the plan to follow our by-laws and process 2014 membership renewals internally.    Membership renewals and the BoD's letter were printed and hard mailed to every current member.

The second week in November, the BoD split up the membership and individually emailed the members in their geographic areas in an effort to personally reach out to every single member and address any questions or concerns regarding membership renewals.

Due diligence has been an ongoing affair and the So Cal BoD was directing their efforts towards communicating with the VCA.  We assembled 14 different questions that sent them off to the VCA.    On December 4th, the VCA officers and the So Cal officers and BoD held a conference call in which the VCA was able to address each and every question.  The 2 hour conference call was constructive and gave us some of the perspectives needed to make an informed decision.

We are now turning our focus to the Viper Owners Association and will be assembling questions for their officers to address.  We are hoping to schedule a conference call with them sometime next week.

We want our entire membership to know that the current officers and BoD are continuing on a weekly basis to gather information and will be assessing all angles to ensure that our club membership's best interests are first and foremost.

SoCal Viper Club

Thank you, all Board of Directors and So Cal officers.  I appreciate the hard work and diligence in pursuing this matter.  As a member since 1999, I have enjoyed the SoCal Viper Club immensely.  My family has also experienced the wonderful positive attitude and friendliness or all our club members, as witnessed at all functions, especially our Family get-together during the summer (picnics, luaus, Western Casino Day, etc.  I support you.

Hey Scott,

Are you able to share who the VCA conference call was with and who will be on the VOA call?

Thanks

Ron

Has a decision been made? Have We talked with VOA yet?

As far as I know we are still doing our homework and no decisions have been made.
Hirk

Scott great write up, we need everyone's input please. Thank you.

                                                                                                               Eddie

Go over to www.driveviper.com for a series of questions from the SoCal BoD with answers from the Viper Owners Association.

This may be helpful in providing input.

That QnA was indeed very insightful. 

http://driveviper.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1857&d=1387295240

~Jay

I read both- the VOA Q&A and the VCA Q&A (received Dec. 15th, via email).  Differences are stark, both in tone, and level of disclosure.

One example:

VOA: "We can operate entirely and solely on dues, advertising, and our membership fundraiser. We have no need for Chrysler subsidies, raffle car, or any outside entity (like VPA) to fund our efforts."

VCA: "Many of you were unaware that our club has always relied on raffle cars for a source of income, since almost all of the membership dues gets spent on our members, with a portion of the money also going to each region."

Alrighty then...

We wanted to bring you up to date with our progress.  After our VCA conference call on December 4th, our BoD held a conference call amongst ourselves to discuss the responses from the VCA.  We then turned our attention to the VOA.  We discussed various concerns with respect to the VOA and asked the BoD to submit questions to Andy that would be then sent on to the VOA.  On December 5th, we sent a request to the VOA Officers requesting a conference call on December 11th.  On December 10th we submitted a list of questions to the VOA which we expected them to address on our December 11th conference call.   This call was unfortunately delayed due to an emergency in Maurice's family and the conference call was rescheduled for December 18th so we lost one week.
On December 18th we held the conference call with the VOA officers and for 2 hours discussed many of the questions and concerns that we had.  Following the 2 hour conference call, we held our own conference call for another hour to discuss the VOA and determine a course of action for the So Cal Viper Club.

At this point in time, we would like to share the Question and Answers from both the VCA and VOA.   We are posting this so that every member can see what was asked and what the responses from the respective National Clubs were.  We had every intent on posting this for our members to see, but wanted to wait till we were able to interview both the VCA and VOA so that we could present them at the same time.  We know that both the VCA and VOA utilized our questions (in whole or in part) and posted them on their respective websites.  Please know that we did not agree or approve of this, nor are we endorsing their actions to use our questions to try and persuade members to join them.  Our questions were part of a specific due diligence to determine the true fabric of each National Club.   We did not take answers from either club at face value.    We are currently following up on their answers to determine accuracy and plan to post our final  findings very shortly.

We are simply posting this information so that our members can see what steps we have been taking in the interest of our Club.  As soon as we have completed our investigation, we will be informing our members of the BoD's recommendations.






Viper Club of Southern California

Viper Club of America Evaluation

December 4, 2013



Q. How many VCA members to date have renewed and what is the percentage rate of renewals?   
A. VCA is about 50 % of where they should be at this point in the year.
Q. Compare 2012 December 1st total active VCA membership count v 2013 December 1st total membership count?
A. Total membership is about 3300 for 2013

Greg Krouse been member since '96  North Texas.  Talked about how the Texas region took a vote at an event (40 members out 120 total)  and 100% voted to stay VCA.  (They sent out ballots to 120 members  40 % secede  50% VCA  10% VOA

Q.  How many regions have abandoned the VCA to affiliate with the VOA. How many members does this impact? How many regional presidents have vacated their posts and/or failed to renew their VCA memberships? Which regions are effected?
A.  About 50% of the membership is expected to leave  (15 presidents have already said they will leave the VCA) 
Paul Hawker said president's in his zone mad for no money was sent to the regions since national used money for other stuff and did not send it to the regions /   SRT relationship gone /  Corruption / VCA bankrupt



Q. What will the VCA club do to attract new members and retain fence sitters. 
A.  Use their extensive back history and long standing history to remain a strong club.

Q. Identify clear differences between VCA and VOA in the eyes of VCA. 
A.  The VCA is established with full management in place.  VOA has nothing and must start from scratch.

Q.  What is the current bank balance of the VCA? 
A.  77,000.00 in the bank    100,000 assets in tooling.
Q.  What is the advertising money and how much is going to Marshall
A.   He gets 100% of the advertising money
Q.  What physical financial proof will you provide us that the VCA IS solvent? 
A.  None provided 
Q.  What is the economic impact to the VCA as a result of VOA defections?
A.   VPA will not be affected by lack of members since they sell mostly to other mfg's
Q.  Do we as members have access to year end taxes, profit\loss and balance sheets?
A.  They are published by the VCA in the magazine,  VPA is not open for review by the members.
     More money is spent than received in from members on services back to the members.

Q.  What is the financial arrangement between VCA and VPA?
A.   VCA has not needed the money therefore they do not  transfer any money
Q.  What does the VCA get in profits and/or royalties?
A.   Nothing at this point in time
Q.  Is Chris Marshall going to continue to run VPA or is VCA going to outsource its management (competitive bidding)?
A.  Still running it but not sure if he will continue

Q.  What happens to VPA and their assets if the VCA fails? 
A.  VPA is self sustained company  which is owned by the VCA and would be sold as an asset

Q.   What has the VCA done to show Chrysler they have put up a meaningful wall between the VPA profit and VCA?
A.  Separate entities and it has never been an issue.  Chrysler did not want the Marshalls (Mary on the VCA and Chris on the VPA) to answer to Chrysler.  They wanted clear separation between the contacts within each entity. With Coast to Coast gone, there would be no issues.

Q.  The VCA BoD said that Coast to Coast was put on a month to month contract and that they were sending out RFP's.
A.   Coast to Coast resigned
Q.  Did the RFP's go out (exact date) and how many responses have been received?
A.   9/27/13 rfp's went out   as of 12/4 contracts are being negotiated and could possibly be in place by 1/1/14   
Q.  Will there be a new management company for the VCA?
A.  American management institute   
Q.  When will they take over and what is the cost? 
A.  It will cost more per month.

Q.  Will you have audits of the national organization done and submitted to the membership on yearly basis?  May we see your application/filing regarding the establishment of your 501(c) nonprofit status?  A.  507(c)  The returns are public (although not they don't make it super easy for everyone)  Profit and Loss is published in the magazine. Nothing has been published yet.

Q. Bylaw changes - have they been changed or modified in the last 60 days?  if so, where are they posted and who approved the changes. 
A.  John Canal is heading up the bylaw changes.  None have been made as of yet.

Q.  The current BoD sent an "Apology to Ralph".  Did Ralph respond?
A.   Not that we know of.   
Q.  Was the apology accepted?
A.  No response from him.   
Q.  If so, why is the VCA "strictly on a business to business" relationship with Chrysler/Dodge/SRT/Mopar.
A. ( Pietro )Chrysler officer set it up so that the VCA now has new specific people to deal within Chrysler.
Q.   When was the last time VCA communicated directly (not letter or email) with SRT and Chrysler? 
A.  Last week 
Q.  Who was the actual contact on each team and what commitment to reengage with VCA was given, if any?

Q.    If the VCA Officers and the BoD step down on December 31, 2014 as they say they will, who is going to take office?   
A.  Don't know
Q.  Has anyone volunteered or been nominated and will there be a vote?  When will the vote take place?  Jan 2014 The current bylaws do not allow for proxy voting by the regional presidents.  Only those regional presidents present at the meeting are allowed to vote.  If the vote is to take place BEFORE the current officers step down (which makes sense) the election should take place in 2013.  With less than 30 days left before the end of the year, when and where are they planning to hold said elections? 
A.  Has not been determined yet. 



Q.  Why would remaining with the VCA be in the best interests of the members of the Viper Club of Southern California?   
A. 


On the conference call:

VCA: Dan Everts, John McGrady, Greg Krouse, Cathy Smiley, Paul Hawker, Marv spatz

So Cal Viper Club: Lance Kouchi, Nino Valmassoi, Mike Bell, Andy Weiss, Bruce Conklin, Eddie Reinsma, Ron Burke, Art Pena, Scott Hirko

Viper Club of Southern California Viper Owners Association

Responses to SoCal Questions December 16, 2013
The following are answers to questions that the So Cal Viper club presented to the national VOA as part of their due diligence in determining which national Viper club they will affiliate with in 2014.
Maurice Liang – President   Janni Cone - Secretary Alex Ristanovic – Vice President   Brad Homen - Treasurer

Q:   How many VOA members to date?
A:   Over 800 people have signed up through 12/15.
Q:   How many are new members not from VCA?
A:   There is no way to know for us to know this information since we do not have access to any VCA membership lists. We DO KNOW that many disenchanted members who had left the VCA previously, have now returned (and some are part of the core team).
Q:   What is the membership breakeven point?
A:   We predicated budgets on 1800, but in an effort to reduce fixed costs, we can deal with less than that by having most of our spend variable. We also have had tremendous success with fundraisers so a smaller number is also feasible.
Q:How many members do you expect to have?
A:Our first year goal is 1800 members. However at this rate, we do anticipate we'll have that in Q1.
Q:How many regions have abandoned the VCA to affiliate with the VOA?
A: 30 have joined the VOA as charter regions. In addition, at least 2 more regions are finalizing
their decision. 1 Region has left the VCA and anticipates joining VOA after the 1st year.
Q:   How many members does this impact?
A:   We don't have access to the entire active membership of the Viper community, but we'd estimate it's around 2500.
Q:   How many regional presidents have vacated their posts and/or failed to renew their VCA memberships?
A:   We don't know and we don't ask. From what we have heard, most presidents are simply finishing up their year as a VCA club and will start fresh in Jan 1, 2014 as a VOA club so that VCA membership subscriptions aren't impacted.
Q:   Which regions are affected?
A:   All. It's simply a changing landscape and this will impact every region whether they join VOA or not. Our goal is to keep the local clubs together, so we reached out to the Presidents to help maintain continuity for the membership. We didn't want a competition for individual members, nor did we want to split regions. It's best for members to stay together within a region, and for that region to decide as a unit.
Q:   What will the VOA club do to attract new members and persuade fence sitters?
A:   We will do what we say. We've made good on all of our commitments and we've built a quality (and already thriving) club. We've been holding a series of conference calls with the Presidents so that they could build the foundation with us so that it's built the way people want and will agree with. We've disclosed information, even prior to being asked, we have gone above and beyond relative to real transparency. We've created much simpler bylaws which take power away from specific entities or provide ultimate authority to members. We've created a "mega board" that now includes ALL presidents in the club. This will ensure proper decision making, leave power with the people, and avoid any one person (or few people) from changing the club in a way that the rest don't want. We've made mistakes and admitted them, and asked for help and input correcting them. But in total, we've exceeded people's expectations for what was possible. And ultimately we will rebuild the relationship with the manufacturer and put in place some special things as part of that relationship. Moving forward, we will continue to operate in a cost effective and professional manner and build a national club culture grounded in positivity and involvement.
Q:   Would the club consider a National Membership type of arrangements if SoCal decides to remain with the VCA? This would allow members to pay a fee to VOA to be a national member of VOA while remaining a member of SoCal and VCA?
A:   We strongly feel that the heart of the club is with the regions, so we do encourage everyone join a region. However, as a new facet of the club, we do offer the ability to not affiliate with any region and simply belong to the national entity (however there is no discount for that).
Q:   Why are members leaving VCA for VOA?
A:   In short, a long list of issues over the last 6 years. However, this all culminated in a huge embarrassment when a series of simultaneous (rather public) events took place which gave people a glimpse into how the VCA operated and was the catalyst for people getting a glimpse of the issues that had been glossed over for a long time - the erosion of the relationship with the manufacturer, too much power concentrated into the hands of too few people, a complete lack of transparency, poor communication, but most significantly were the ways the membership was misled on important issues. So far, we're thrilled with the positive energy the members have and we're also working as a team with a pretty darn flat "power structure" so we're letting smart people do things, report back, and have ownership. It's working pretty well, actually better than any of us could have anticipated.
Q:   What are you doing to ensure this will not happen to VOA?
A:   First of all, the mechanics of the club administration put a big safety net in place. No longer will a small group of people dictate how the club operates. It belongs to the membership. National is no longer a punitive segment of the organization, they are there to facilitate and serve. Walking the talk and fostering an environment where the BoD takes a position that they work FOR and answer TO the members will go a long way in ensuring transparency. So will having the Regional Presidents vote on a lot of issues - budget, membership, events, etc. Their involvement is like having 30+ sets of auditors review each important decision.
Q:   Identify clear differences between VCA and VOA in the eyes of VOA.
A:   We try not to promote the differences as it breeds bad blood, however there are many. And often because this is grass roots, it's not easy to communicate so we're glad you asked. Please read closely because many are very much different from how things are done with the VCA. We are not only fundamentally a different club, we also operate very differently.
•   We have abolished the concept of a small national board. We have instead created a massive board consisting of regional participants (the presidents). This not only puts power in the hands of the people, but creates a flatter organization with fewer layers and bureaucracy. The VCA always said this wasn't possible - but it is - and it's awesome.
• We have gotten rid of the concepts of zones and zone directors. Those positions were ambiguous and often the officers did not do their function. Instead we created specific director positions for many, many topics and responsibilities so that it's clear who owns them and what they need to do. Also, these positions are not allowed to vote on board issues to avoid any conflicts of interest.
•   We can operate entirely and solely on dues, advertising, and our membership fundraiser. We have no need for Chrysler subsidies, raffle car, or any outside entity (like VPA) to fund our efforts.
•   We distribute regional subsidies on a monthly basis. Also, the dues the regions receive are for that month. The VCA disburses every 3 months and withheld regional dues from 4-9 months (It's published: dues received in Jan 2013 weren't paid to regions until at least July 2013). Our method alleviates the cash flow burden put on the regions. VCA national delays regional disbursements because of cash flow burdens for funding national operations (this has been admitted in writing).
•   Our bylaws were built from the bottom up. It took power away from the president and the national office. It eliminates much of the punitive action toward regions. The bylaws are MUCH simpler, meant as a foundation rather than a set of processes and ramifications. We removed many unneeded rules. We eliminated the legalese so that a common person can understand them. They were developed by a large group of people, they were critiqued by the new board/its membership, and there were specific issues voted on when needed.
•   We hold communication and transparency as paramount to our mission. Our communication is exemplary. We have meetings as officers once a week, we have presidents meetings sometimes several times a month, we send announcements frequently, we participate in the forums, we post our board minutes for all member to see, and we provide briefings on what is
happening in the background - good or bad. And we've demonstrated it. •   We rarely censor our forums and have never banished anyone from our site. The VCA has moderated and/or suspended people from its forums in droves - many of those people are still suspended even though some have pushed to have their status reinstated. We created an open forum, one that doesn't easily censor topics or opinions. To date there are only a handful of times a post has even been pulled. The posts we do pull are those that are attacking or illegal. Outside of that, we allow folks to communicate openly and it's reflected in
the attitudes of those on the forums - they are appreciative. • We are inclusive and have demonstrated it. We do not maintain an inner circle. When we have a need, we ask for volunteers and pull in people from the outside. Our team used to build the new club is over 23 people in size with several players playing other small roles! The VCA had a very small circle of people, and it's demonstrated by their small group of officers and board members in existence with the VCA for the last 3 months and today.
•   We leverage technology better. We have a virtual PBX system that connects many remote entities into one 800 number. Allowing you to call one number but yet reach any entity (including VOA HQ) with a single number. We also have a very diverse conference bridge (the VCA uses free confcall.com and there is little control and always has issues). Our bridge allows us to keep records of all participants, verify who is on the call, link names to phone #'s, we can mute, we can bump people, we can record calls, we can even do live voting via keypad. It's worked amazingly well. In addition, we have put in place a highly sophisticated website, nearly everything is database driven. This allows for easy day to day administration and also disallows any "special settings" from being used. We also have distribution lists we've created to help communicate with members, core team, and officers.
•   Email retention and ownership is another clear fundamental difference. We funnel all of our emails to a common server and we all maintain driveviper.com email addresses (whereas VCA officials use their personal email accounts). This allows the club to control all information, including maintaining that information if an officer leaves. It's also far more professional.
•   Our forum moderators are NOT anonymous. This has long been touted by the VCA as a necessity. We, however, have made our entire team of moderators known to all members. •   Officers cannot be forum moderators or make changes to the forums. An independent web
committee serves to oversee all forums operations. This is to avoid the controversies of
officers manipulating content and moderating members to serve their own needs. •   Our board and officer calls are properly booked in advance and agendas shared well in
advance. •   Our magazine will be first class, not used as a political platform, and will be delivered on time. •   We WANT a relationship with our manufacturer and are willing to compromise to ensure that
we have a strong relationship. The VCA has completely destroyed that. Any relationship they have is a business relationship, or one based on being civil. We are focused on a deep personal relationship, one like that which has existed many years ago. And the truth is, we already have a strong relationship with them.
•   We are not affiliated with VPA (or any for-profit entity) to raise money for us. Period. •   We have the full support of all founders of the original club and almost all of them were
involved daily in the building of the new club. That speaks volumes.
•   We have no open positions in our club. All of our officer positions are filled (Pres, VP, Sec,Treas). We also have a complete board in addition to all of our filled director positions. We have over 40 people involved with immediate decisions with the club and no vacancies.
We will have committees that organize VOI's. This has long been an issue with many of the last VOI's having little input from others. We are positive. Despite being attacked on several occasions in public and private emails, we have taken the high road and not responded. We have not emailed anything negative to our members and refrained from commenting VCA issues since the day we opened our doors. We have created a mission and culture, one based on positivity and power to the people and it's worked quite well. We do not rely on negative campaigns.
We have no baggage, no past liabilities, no debt, and no current issues to resolve. It's sometimes easier to start fresh rather than simply hoping that all issues from the past will get resolved. Financially, we live within our means, we have a strict focus on overhead, and have built a budget we live by. In addition, we have a real CPA and financial manager to oversee all club finances.
We move very quickly on all aspects of club business. We began building this club in mid- September and launched in mid-November. Lastly... we have demonstrated that we do what we say. We do not make promises and have people make decisions based on promises. We have accomplished more change in 6 weeks than the VCA has made all year (including the last 3 months under their new team). We aim to under promise and over deliver.
Q:   What is the current bank balance of the VOA?
A:   With current expenses paid, we have $30K cleared in the bank. In addition we also have $23K being released by our current credit processing company and $60K on hold with our old processor until Jan (due to our short credit history, they employ a "hold-back" for a time period).
Q:   What physical financial proof will you provide us that the VOA IS solvent?
A:   Brad is a CPA - he will be providing quarterly reports and can increase that to monthly at the push of a button. Additionally, we'll have the Board (and remember that is all the Presidents plus the National Officers) vote on a budget. We can provide the budget when finalized, asking that you consider it a VOA confidential document at this time.
Q:   Do members have access to year end taxes, profit/loss and balance sheets and other key financial information?
A:   Brad will be providing quarterly reports to the Board. Annual P/L and other reports will be published in or with Viper Quarterly magazine. As we move forward, we'll see if we need to increase the frequency of both the reports themselves, or the amount of reports published. Because the Presidents are on the board, we'll ask the members to work through the Presidents, since the Presidents are key decision makers and can explain and support the reports.
Q:   Will you have audits of the national organization done and submitted to the membership on yearly basis?
A:   Full blown audits are VERY costly. We believe that over-communicating and providing reports will be sufficient. Audits are usually reserved for 501(c)(3)'s (charities) who apply for grants. We are a 501 (c) (7) mutual benefit corporation. We think that having financial access and hundreds of savvy members looking things over will be enough.
Q:   May we see your application/filing regarding the establishment of your 501(c) nonprofit status?
A:   It has been filled out and is being sent to the IRS for 501 (c) (7) approval. May we ask why? There is some personal information on it regarding the officers - so we may have to redact things like addresses and social security numbers to guard against identity theft.
Q:   What are the differences between the VOA and VCA Bylaws?
A:   Answered earlier.
Q:   Who elects the officers and will there be term limits?
A:   Currently there are term limits for the President only and he / she may run again after taking one term off. Elections are every 2 years, and the entire Board votes – National Officers and Presidents. Also, it is NOT a secret ballot – it is a roll call vote so members can see how their president voted. Recently, term limits for all positions were discussed and voted on. The Presidents felt that having a well documented election process was an effective way to limit terms and the motion to require term limits for all positions did not carry.
Q:   Was the last VCA raffle done legally? Discuss.
A:   We are not the VCA and not attorneys, therefore, we can't discuss this.
Q:   Will VOA do raffles?
A:   If they can be done legally (and there is no definitive answer on that at this time), perhaps. What we do know is that we don't need them to operate and don't plan any at this time.
Q:   Doesn't the organization need to be established for 5 years to comply with law?
A:   Raffle law varies by state and sometimes by county - so it's impossible to make that blanket statement on legality.
Q:     How will this be accomplished?
A:    See above – we have not committed to any raffles.
Q:    Will there be SRT support?
A:     Chrysler was placed in with the past club and specific board members. We are speaking to SRT and they are supportive. We have some plans which are in motion for Q1, which will involve SRT and put in place formal support after the club is established (our actual start is 1/1/2014).  We do not want to disclose any discussions with SRT at this time due to the sensitive situation
Q:   Will this be the main source of club revenue?
A:   No. In fact no reliance will be made on Chrysler/SRT subsidies. As described above, we have no reliance on outside entities.
Q:   Will there be a financial arrangement between VOA and VPA?
A:   There is no relationship between VOA and VPA and we are not pursuing one. Due to the controversy (and/or perceptions) surrounding VPA, it's not possible (nor do we want to) have any relationship with VPA.
Q:   What benefits will VOA members realize from VPA?
A:   See above.
Q:   What happens to VPA and their assets if the VCA fails?
A:   It's not for us to decide. It'll be up to the VCA BoD to determine that. In addition there are laws in place that govern how a non-profit corporation must distribute its assets then it ceases operations. Only time will tell relative to the course the VCA chooses.
Q:   Who will administer the club?
A:   Currently the National Officers and "core team" are doing a lot of the admin - including the secretary being more involved as well as the Treasurer. All team members have a role. Wilson Printing is handing phone support for memberships and mailings.
Q:   How much will be paid and to whom?
A:   We are paying an hourly rate to Wilson Printing to answer the phone and process membership issues. No term commitment at all, it was quite an amicable decision.
Q:   Who will publish the magazine?
A:   Three entities. Maurice is the editor, given his professional experience and will donate all his time to the club for free. We are using an independent graphic designer for the design and layout. Lastly, Wilson Printing will print and mail the magazine.
Q:   Cost and paid to whom?
A:   The printing company has provided us with the printing and mailing estimate based on the anticipated number of members, which we've used for budget planning. The layout work will depend upon the actual time it takes. The first issue has begun taking shape as we collect and write articles. There are no paid positions as part of Viper Quarterly. Also – all advertising revenue goes to the club and not the editor.
Q:   Was an RFP process used? If no, why not?
A:   No, not initially. Because we needed to get the club up and running in as short a time as possible and deliver a level of service club members were used to, we chose to use vendors we knew could do the job for a reasonable price. We did look at costs from 2 vendors for the club management services and feel we are getting a fair value. We also know what the VCA paid for its magazines and we can negotiate the same (if not better) terms. The VOA secretary has also already written business bidding rules and guidelines and has 18 years in Procurement experience. No long term contracts were signed, and we plan to do a formal RFP process once we have the club up and running.
Q:   Will ANY members of the Board or Officers be paid by the club? If so, who and how much?
A:   No. Period.
Q:   Will any companies with which they are affiliated be paid? Who and how much?
A:   None at the moment. However, there is no reason that a company with which an Officer or Director is "affiliated with" cannot provide a service to the club and be compensated. However, the potential conflict will have to be disclosed properly, and the Director / Officer will have to refrain from any voting or influencing of the decision to use this company. Also, the BoD can vote to not accept the conflict and remove the company from consideration. This is part of the COI policy which is completed and part of the bylaw package.
Q:   What will be done to ensure transparency and avoid conflicts of interest?
A:   Some of this is noted above, however, because the BoD is all the Presidents and voting will be required, there will be many eyes on any transaction and potential COI. Bids will be Board decisions and votes. Also, we will publish minutes of the meetings and that will be "public record" so to speak. To date - we've sent meeting notes and encouraged the Presidents to share with their members as appropriate (or as they wish / as the members care...) A clear Conflict of Interest policy, and a large Board of Directors will safeguard the interests of VOA.
Q:   Did any officers or directors of VOA profit in any way from the VCA at any time in the past? Discuss.
A:   We can't answer this for all the Directors as the Presidents are the Directors and we don't know if they ever supported the club in a capacity that was transactional. None of the National Officers were paid suppliers to the VCA. Any of us may have been reimbursed under the travel and expense policy.
Q:   Address the relationship between VOA and Chrysler/SRT and executives?
A:   There is an excellent relationship between our leadership team and SRT. It is respectful both ways and we work from a basis of trust. Strong past relationships also exist which help foster a very close friendship and communication pattern.
Q:   What does the future hold for the relationship?
A:   Due to past events, we ourselves are impacted by the poor perception that Chrysler has with car clubs. For this reason, we are purposely maintaining a very formal method of rebuilding the relationship. Walking the walk and making the club one they can be proud of will go a long way in rebuilding. And we are already in process of discussing a nation-wide event with them this year...
Q:   What if the executives leave or are replaced?
A:   The relationships we have are pretty deep within Chrysler and SRT. We also have several folks who are used to dealing with a large corporate structure on our team, and that will benefit the club. Many of the original founders have successfully fostered relationships with Chrysler executives for two decades during multiple management changes. And much like any other club/business, life goes on. What's important is that the club is healthy first, good relationships happen as a byproduct of a healthy/mutually respectful and beneficial friendship.
Q:   What is the status of the relationship they have with VCA?
A:   We cannot answer on Chrysler's or VCA's behalf.
Q:   What events are planned for 2014?
A:   Event planning is in progress. Regional events will remain the life-blood of the club. On a national level, we plan to have sponsored events. As mentioned, one is in the works for 2014.
Q:   Will there be a VOI. Where?
A:   There is no plan to do a full-blown VOI. As mentioned above, a different type of event is being planned on a national scale, and it's directly tied to a renewed relationship with Chrysler.
Q:   How will it be financed?
A:   The event will be self funding - through entry fees and/or sponsorship. This is a basic tenet of how we plan to run the club.
Q:   Discuss the possibility of reconciliation with the VCA or merger.
A:   We've stated that we're open to talking - but it would need to be out in the open and formal. To date, there have been two strange communications that we've been approached with. 1) We've been approached by a BoD member who said he was not authorized to speak for the BoD but wished to discuss the "winding down" of VCA's assets, and 2) A member who said the VCA talked about 'handing over the keys' to VOA during a BoD call he had attended.
Those are only news we've ever heard or received from the VCA. After hearing of this, the VOA issued a letter to all VCA board members and officers to make clear that any communications need to be open, formal, and with the expressed consent of their BoD. To date, for weeks, our letter has gone unanswered by any of the current BoD members.
Q:   How can the goodwill built over the 20 years of the VCA be preserved?
A:   Having all the founders of the VCA is simply a good way to help salvage some of the goodwill. As for how can the VCA preserve their goodwill, we cannot answer that. The most important piece however, is the regions. They are the most important part of the club. They are what makes this a living entity.
Q:   Why would remaining with the VCA be in the best interests of the members of the Viper Club of Southern California?
A:   We can't answer what is in your best interests, only you can. We want to take the high road. What we can tell you is that keeping a region together is the important part. After that, selecting a national group to associate with is a matter of deciding which organization runs better. We do believe you should be a part of a national organization so you can get benefit of magazines, insurance, call centers, etc.. It also helps your region stay in the pipeline with other regions and of course our manufacturer. As we've done with all other regions around the world - we leave that decision to you. We hope that you join the vast majority of them and select the VOA as your national affiliation so that we can continue to build what is already the most comprehensive Viper club on the planet.

Based on the dirt that's come out of the VCA and my recent experience with the board of the VOA dealing with the Nevada region, I'm thinking we should hold off and stay out of both clubs until things settle out some more.

One reason for posting this information is to get members point of view on all this as well. Once the members have the facts (QA from both clubs) they can make a more informed decision.

Hirk.

Thanks for posting this.

Saw what time you are posting...Do you ever sleep?

Paul

Quote from: MoparMan on December 20, 2013, 08:38:48 AM
Based on the dirt that's come out of the VCA and my recent experience with the board of the VOA dealing with the Nevada region, I'm thinking we should hold off and stay out of both clubs until things settle out some more.

Whats going on in NV?

Kala -

Their region is pretty much dead because they guy in charge refuses to do anything but has the system rigged so he can not be removed. I've been helping a group of guys who want to rebuild the region and in doing so we've had direct dealings with the board of the VOA who have been, shall we say, less than impressive. If things had worked out, I was going to spend more time working with the NV region to get back on their feet. Nonetheless, I've renewed my membership in SoCal since, in my experience, it's by far the best Viper club there is.

Below is a letter from the VCA sent Dec 21st.

Dear VCA members

The number of renewals that we have received since you read our Q&A letter a few days ago has been remarkable! Thank you! The outpouring of support has been wonderful and VERY much appreciated. Let's keep up the enthusiasm! If you have not yet renewed, please do so today at www.viperclub.org Some of us are members of multiple car clubs, so why not consider dual membership? We have no problem with you being a member of multiple car clubs. Many of you have written personal letters thanking us for the many changes we have made so that the VCA will be a better club than ever before. Now that you have seen what the new national board has been able to accomplish over the past 3 months, imagine what the new national board can do over the next year with YOUR help. Your positive feedback makes this all worthwhile. All these changes have been made for YOU, our members.

We wanted to let you know that we are having a VCA Planning Meeting the weekend of Jan 24, 25, 26 scheduled around the Rolex 24 hour race taking place that weekend at Daytona International Speedway. FYI, this is NOT for VCA officers only but for all VCA members with the passion and desire to help us move the club forward and improve the club. We'd like to invite all VCA members who are available to join us that weekend to watch the race and participate in some open discussions with the new VCA leadership group on how to best move the VCA forward during 2014. This is a great opportunity to have some fun, meet other VCA members, get involved with the club and help us improve the VCA brand! Please let us know if you'd like to attend. SRT will be present and we're working on a joint race event with them. Details to follow...

We want to emphasize that we are looking for loyal VCA supporters to take over existing VCA regions that have chosen to disassociate.  As of this writing, some regional presidents have notified us that they are not renewing their memberships with the VCA in 2014. FYI, we have now received membership renewals in every state in the USA. Your region can continue to thrive in 2014, but we need your help! Please contact any of us to discuss further. We have already found new leadership in several areas to keep their VCA region alive and well.

Lastly, in the spirit of the holidays and recognizing that many of us could do more to help others, we national officers have each chosen to write a check for $100.00 to the Wounded Warriors Project. Please join us if you can. We each plan to write "Viper Club of America" on the memo line of our checks to show our support for our heroes. Or, if you prefer, you can simply write "Viper Nation" to show our group's support.

Send checks to:
Wounded Warrior Project
P.O. Box 758517
Topeka, Kansas 66675

Go on line to donate at: www.woundedwarriorproject.org/Donate

We wish you all a Happy Holiday season filled with family, friends, and everything you hold dear.
2014 is going to be a great year—thanks again for your help making this happen!

Sincerely,
Dan Everts [email protected]
Fredi Spaltenstein [email protected]
John Canal [email protected]
Lucas Chaney [email protected]
Greg Crouse [email protected]
John Mavridis [email protected]
Ron Kooser [email protected]
Cathy Smiley [email protected]

Here is a response from VOA to the above VCA letter dated Dec 21:

Dear VOA President,

I'm sure you and your club members are busily preparing for Christmas/holidays and the last thing you want to deal with is club politics.  However, the VCA has been sending messages directly to members, often not copying presidents, to recruit uninformed members by painting a picture that everything is fixed with the VCA.  Unfortunately, these messages contain statements that are misleading or even completely untrue, which compels us to clarify some of their claims with you since we cannot address your members directly.  Please share this information with your members so they can make an informed decision about renewals.

MEMBERSHIP NUMBERS:  VCA implies they have droves of members signing up, yet they have never published any figures because in truth, their membership renewals for 2014 are down dramatically and at a fraction of the VOA. We have reports that some of those people renewed without realizing what was going on or they were completely unaware of the club they were joining. (If you have any members who mistakenly renewed with VCA, they can ask for a refund and if that fails, file a dispute with their credit card company.) It would be difficult if not impossible to conduct a car raffle, press-print a magazine, or hold a national gathering with numbers that small. Conversely, the VOA has quickly passed 900 members and close to reaching the 1000 member mark in the one month since we opened the doors. We hope you'll remind your members to join VOA before Jan 1st, so they can be considered charter members!

SRT RELATIONSHIP:  In their recent announcement, the VCA stated they are working with SRT and planning events together.  However, if you read carefully, the people they are working with are with MOPAR, not SRT.  Those are two different entities, and they simply have a business relationship with MOPAR.  Although they stated they are working with SRT on a joint event at Daytona, we are in contact with SRT and confirmed that SRT is NOT working with VCA on any joint event. This is a complete fallasy used to create the impression that progress has been made in this area. Like all ALMS races, this SRT event is simply open to ALL SRT owners (including VCA members).  On a related note, if you hadn't heard, Doris and Ralph Gilles joined VOA on 12/16 by their own choice as paid members. It's OK to read between the lines.

REGIONS:  We know what your members value most is having fun with their friends in your local club, which is why we encouraged you to take a vote and either stay or move your region intact and together.  While your members are free to join one or both clubs, it's important that they understand that only the dues money they pay to VOA will be returned to YOUR club. If they want to continue having fun with their club friends, they need to join YOUR club since that's where the activities will be.  As you know, we already have the majority of the regions (30) on board and several more coming. Some regions have reported that the VCA is still witholding some of their 2013 dues money.  If this is the case with you, we recommend you request the money before the end of the year.

EXPERIENCE:  VOA is being led by the MOST experienced, senior members from the Viper community, including ALL of the Founders who started the original club.  This is why we've been able to achieve so much in such a short period of time.  We know what the issues are and what state the VCA is in.

VCA THREATS: VCA board members have recently posted that in their opinion, VOA regions should turn over their assets (money) to any new VCA region that forms in their area. We presume this is just a scare tactic used to keep regions from leaving, since you are a separate corporation, and those assets were paid by your members (or earned through fund-raising) and belong to you.  Most of you are continuing on as the same corporation but with a different name on the door.  Consider the analogy, if you were an independent gas station owner who sold Chevron gas, and decided to change to being a Shell station, would you be required to turn over your money to a new guy who opens across the street as a Chevron station?

It's not our intent to be negative, but it's important that you and your members know the truth.  We hope this clarifies the situation so your members can make an informed decision about which club to join.

We are moving ahead in a positive direction, and looking forward to an exciting year ahead! We have no baggage and have built a completely new club with all the necessary components and have made over 40 leaders responsible for managing it as the Board of Directors. We ASSURE you that the club will be built with good culture, talent, and a positive spirit that you will be proud of.  We appreciate your fervent support and encourage you to be involved and vocal.

We'll be sending out a newsletter to our members with more updates shortly. In the meantime, have a happy and safe holiday season.


Best wishes,

Maurice Liang

President

Viper Owners Association

First and foremost I want to wish everyone a Merry Christmas.

Hoping that the SoCal board can make quick work of this in the new year so we can all start to mend from all the agony. I remember just 4 short years ago how excited I was to have realized a dream and purchased a brand new 2008 Viper AND became a member of the Southern California Viper Club and the Viper Club of America. The events (specifically) of the last few months have damped this enthusiasm for membership at the national level and especially the VCA. I know the VCA has made some progress lately but feel it is too little too late.

I feel that the Viper Owners Association has the right attitude and approach for us moving forward.

Hoping you all have a happy, healthy and prosperous 2014

Quote from: MoparMan on December 24, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
Kala -

Their region is pretty much dead because they guy in charge refuses to do anything but has the system rigged so he can not be removed. I've been helping a group of guys who want to rebuild the region and in doing so we've had direct dealings with the board of the VOA who have been, shall we say, less than impressive. If things had worked out, I was going to spend more time working with the NV region to get back on their feet. Nonetheless, I've renewed my membership in SoCal since, in my experience, it's by far the best Viper club there is.

The VOA is set up to work from the Regions up, instead of Nat'l down to the regional level.

IMO If changes need to be made on a regional level, it is up to the NV members to make those changes. Not a Nat'l club stepping in, demanding changes of a regional club.

I'm with Hyper on the VOA membership, couldn't have said it better.

Can we get an update from the BOD?

We are quickly approaching the New Year, the VOA has over 1k paid members since Christmas day and climbing daily. VOA Charter Club status will be over tomorrow 12/31/13. Will the BOD of SoCal Viper make a decision in time to get Charter Club status?

And I just saw this... VOA Charter membership does have benefits...


SPONSORS DONATE PRIZES FOR CHARTER MEMBERS!

Everyone who joins the VOA by Dec. 31st will be entered into a
drawing for gift certificates from our vendor/sponsors.

Thanks to the following businesses for their support and contributions:

BAD BOYZZ VIPER GARAGE([email protected]): Two $250 gift certificates good towards Viper parts or service.

DISCOUNT ONLINE PARTS(www.DiscountOnlineParts.com): $200 gift certificate towards snowblower, lawnmower, and chainsaw parts.

DV8 Motoring (www.DV8motoring.com) Five $200-off custom-built forged wheel order over $2000.

IPSCO (www.ipsco.org): Two $100 gift certificates towards Viper parts/accessories.

NARRA (www.narraonline.com): Two 50% discount certificates off a 2014 NARRA time trial event.

PARTSRACK (www.partsrack.com): $100 gift certificate good towards purchase of Viper parts and accessories.

PLUS ZERO MOTORSPORTS(www.powerplantmotorsports.com): Two gift certificates for 3 dyno pulls for car of your choice.

UNITRAX DRIVETRAIN, INC: ( www.gounitrax.com )Two gift certificates for 2 quarts of differential oil for Vipers.
One gift certificate for 2012VP speedometer recalibrator for '92 -'02 Vipers.

VIPER PARTS LARRY(www.viperpartslarry.com): Three $150 gift certificates good for Viper parts.

I've joined the VOA. I know and trust Maurice and Janni. All 17 of the original VCA founders are now VOA.

I hope the SoCal club joins VOA. I know Randy B. is sick of all the club bickering and is joining neither. I will work on him to join.

I think the important point here is that the club and or members decide to go one way or another, not based on prizes or low badge numbers.
We should make a decision because it's the right thing to do. the BoD, doing the due diligence and properly going though everything with the corporations bylaws and assets and making sure we do things legally and ethically for all the members. Other regions may have made their move weather what they did will have any legal implications will remain to be seen. SoCal club BoD wants this to be done by the book.

Matt,
It's too bad you met the resistance with the VOA in making a change in your region. Keep in mind the people that are in charge just moved from the old club to the new club so.....
They didn't make changes in that region before when they where part of the VCA for what almost 10 years, now that they are the VOA you would expect that they would recognize the need for change there but maybe some things don't change.

Quote from: MoparMan on December 24, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
Kala -

Their region is pretty much dead because they guy in charge refuses to do anything but has the system rigged so he can not be removed. I've been helping a group of guys who want to rebuild the region and in doing so we've had direct dealings with the board of the VOA who have been, shall we say, less than impressive. If things had worked out, I was going to spend more time working with the NV region to get back on their feet. Nonetheless, I've renewed my membership in SoCal since, in my experience, it's by far the best Viper club there is.

Damn it Hirk...
I really needed that new toaster!   >:( >:( :-\ :-\ ::)

I can still post here Sundiego...

Quote from: Hirkophoto on December 30, 2013, 09:40:04 PM
Matt,
It's too bad you met the resistance with the VOA in making a change in your region. Keep in mind the people that are in charge just moved from the old club to the new club so.....
They didn't make changes in that region before when they where part of the VCA for what almost 10 years, now that they are the VOA you would expect that they would recognize the need for change there but maybe some things don't change.

I definitely understand where the VOA leadership is coming from but the situation in NV is a very unique situation and is gamed in favor of the person causing the problems such that it can not be resolved without outside help. The group I was helping was operating under the impression that if we did certain things the VOA would recognize the new group as the NV region. However, the VOA chose not to do that and to go with the existing, problematic, leader. I understand and completely sympathize with their desire to take the path of least resistance, I have done the same and remained in the SoCal region.

Eventually, those running the VOA will probably have to do something or continue to live with a dead region with only a few (literally) members that are active and a person in charge of the region who is only president for the title and whatever perks he can pull out of it.

As both you and Kala can probably surmise, there is quite a lot more to the NV story and to why I have the impression of the VOA leadership I do. I'm more than happy to bore you with the details the next time I'm down there for an event!  :P

Look forward to seeing you soon.